11 July, 2007

This article first appeared on another Christian apologetics discussion form at the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry (CARM) where it was posted by the author himself who goes by the name "Alethia." Here he refutes standard Trinitarian answers to the question "Why didn't God mention the Trinity in His Word, the Bible?" Take careful note of his initial premise: that "The idea of God as three coequal and coeternal 'persons' is never mentioned in Scripture."

This is a problem which Trinitarians have yet to solve. Their proposed solutions are many and varied - but none of these will resist the force of a logical cross-examination.

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The idea of God as three coequal and coeternal “persons” is never mentioned in Scripture. None of the creedal concepts that make up Trinitarian dogma can be found directly in Scripture. It is not just the lack of the word itself, it is the lack of any direct statement of the concept in any words whatsoever.

So why then did God fail to mention the Trinity anywhere in Scripture? I think we can safely assume that He did not merely forget to tell us about it.

Could it possibly be because it was just not important enough to bother wasting a few verses on here and there? Well, if it wasn’t important to God, why would it be important to you or me?

The most common rationalizations of this problem that I hear from Trinitarians are:

#1 You shouldn’t try to dictate to God how he reveals himself.

Indeed I do not. If He didn’t reveal himself as a Trinity, I trust he did not expect to be understood as a Trinity.

#2 You can’t describe God in a single verse.

True enough, but irrelevant. You certainly could describe God as triune in a verse or two. Men seem to have managed to figure out a statement of the Trinity, so presumably God could have managed as well or better, if He had wanted to. Most Trinitarians can give me a brief one or two sentence summary of the doctrine. Surely God could have found a way to say it if it were what He wanted us to understand.

#3 While the Trinity is not taught directly in Scripture, it can be supported from Scripture.

That is circular. It doesn’t address the question. If God intended us to understand it, why didn’t He say so? To support it from Scripture, we would first have to know what it was we were supposed to be trying to support, and without a man-made statement of the Trinity, we would never know it. People seek to support the Trinity from Scripture only because they already believe in it.

#4 The word Trinity is not in the Bible, but the concept is.

This is a red herring or straw man. It is not just the word which is not there. There is no statement of the concept in any words at all. It has to be assembled from widely scattered, fragmentary, deductions, inferences, and human reasoning. There is no statement of a three-in-one god in Scripture, regardless of words.

#5 There are lots of other doctrines that aren’t directly stated in Scripture either.

This is a great one. This is just saying that you believe lots of things that aren’t in the Bible. So, you believe lots of unscriptural things. Yes, you probably do.

A typical example of this form of illogic is in a Lutheran pamphlet entitled “Why Baptize Children?” It uses this defense:

“The objectors to the Baptism of babies say: ‘Show me a single Scripture passage in which the Baptism of infants is commanded, and we will baptize babies.’ But they cannot show us a single passage in Scripture where God is called the ‘Triune God,’ and yet the whole Christian Church believes in the Triune God.”


Actually, the Lutheran pamphlet there employs both #4 and #5 at the same time, keying in on the word ‘Triune’ rather than the concept. They defend one unscriptural teaching by referring to another commonly accepted but unscriptural teaching.

#6 Everybody already knew about, so there was no need to mention it in Scripture.

Oh? And we know this how? Since it is never mentioned in Scripture, how would one determine that everyone already knew about it? And how could they have known about it, since it was never mentioned in any recorded utterance of any representative of God? Nor in fact was it even directly described by any Christian writer for centuries afterwards.

It was certainly not mentioned by any Jewish writer, ‘wisdom Christology’ notwithstanding. There was no Hebrew Trinity. If “everybody knew about it,” they certainly did a great job of keeping it to themselves. Why? Also, does this excuse imply that Scripture speaks only of those things that Christians did not already know about?

#7 The creeds were written only in response to heresy.

Actually I’m not sure what relevance this statement has to the problem, but it is a frequent response. Much of the New Testament was written in response to various heresies. Why did it miss this one? Why should the Trinity be of importance only as a negative response to opposition?

The idea seems to be that it is not important that you believe it, only important that you do not disbelieve it. Ignorance is fine. This sounds like the Church at work alright – ignorance of the masses are fine, just don’t let them start reading the Bible for themselves.

Numbers 6 & 7 have an underlying assumption that should be strongly questioned and doubted by any reasonable person. The unstated assumption is that there was a whole hidden oral tradition outside of Scripture which is the actual means of transmission of the “real” gospel. The obvious but unspoken idea behind this is that “tradition” of the “church” is at least equally as valid a path for the transmission of the gospel as is Scripture itself.

The Roman Catholic Church of course teaches this explicitly and directly. I would think that Protestants would be more doubtful of it, but they seem to buy into it as well for this one doctrine. How they reconcile that with the rejection of Catholicism, I do not know. Actually, this idea of an unwritten oral gospel was a Gnostic tradition, argued against by other Christians in the early centuries.

It is clear that for 6 & 7 to be reasonable assertions, one must assume that “everyone” knew about this very important doctrine to the extent that it was not worth mentioning again. For that to be true, we would have to relegate Scripture to a position of a repository of trivia – a place to read about the facts of lesser importance, but not a particularly necessary or very important source of teaching. After all, it fails to mention what is the most essential dogma of orthodox Christendom (along with other such things as infant baptism).

We should therefore expect that it would fail to mention many other important doctrines, and what do you know? It does indeed fail to mention a number of other of the dogmas that Christendom today believes. I would draw a different from conclusion from that: That Christendom is in error in many respects.

Is the assumption that “everybody knew about the Trinity” at all reasonable? For it to be true, either the Jews of the first century also believed in it, but never wrote about it and totally forgot about it soon after, or else there had to have been a silent mass conversion of those Jews who were the majority of the early church, without the Apostles and Evangelists ever putting a word of it down on paper. The Apostles dealt with all other sorts of heresies and apostasies in Scripture. The bulk of the Epistles are directed at correcting errors such as Judaism, Gnosticism, and doubts about resurrection and Christ’s return.

Surely along with being wrong about the need to continue to keep the Law of Moses, some of those Jews would have been at least a little bit hazy as to finding out that God was really three instead of the One they had previously believed. But the Apostles never bothered to correct them. Jesus continued to preach “the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.” The God of the New Testament is still the God of Israel, the same as the God of the Old Testament. It seems that neither Jesus nor his Apostles felt any need to directly clarify the supposedly triune God to the Jews.

Of course, there really aren’t any “Bible Only” Trinitarians. There are a few who claim to be, but that claim is patently false. It escapes me why they bother attempting to argue their doctrine from a Bible Only standpoint, when their doctrines very obviously come from their tradition rather than from Scripture. They should just do a better job of justifying tradition as their source of doctrine, and admit that the Bible is not their true source.

If anyone has any better explanations, excuses or rationalizations, I would be interested to hear them. None of these are any good at all.

--http://thechristadelphians.org/

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10 Comments:

Blogger sattvicwarrior said...

such NONSENSE.
you have WAY to much time on your hands all trying to justify your existence. And for what??
the fact that your going to die someday anyhow and all those " concepts and precepts and notions" have NOTHING to do with god, or some mystical stupidity through intellectual twaddle to prove existence for what is or not, all done for the benifit of simply trying to justify ones own cosnciousness... which is illusory simpy because of the tansitory nature of its existence. which is totally contrarey to the omniptence of infinite consciousness.

July 14, 2007 5:44 PM  
Blogger Jason said...

Where did I say I was trying to justify my existence?

July 14, 2007 6:18 PM  
Blogger sattvicwarrior said...

you didnt . your EGO did!!!!!!
with statements like;;
""""Could it possibly be because it was just not important enough to bother wasting a few verses on here and there? Well, if it wasn’t important to God, why would it be important to you or me?""""
If that isnt " self serving" i dont know what is.
Omnipotence [ god consciousness….] is without DUALITY , there is no reason to justify within a format where time[where the ego resides i.e. reality] needs justification. It has NOTHING to do with God Consciousness, but everything to do with what MAN THINKS consciousness is.
those are two totally different formats..
GOD is EXPERIENCE not intellectualization especially from some silly book of fables and myths for example called the bible.
You say the bible doesn’t say anything about the trinity. . or COURSE not. that myth [ one amongst many] was perpetrated and made cognitive conveniently as the church found necessary to add mysticism along the way to hold the interest of the spiritually starved.
again it has NOTHING to do with GOD…… but everything to do with the thinking principle created by MAN to justify his existence and create an element of CONTROL. [ another facet of EGO]
God is without EGO or duality, that was created by MAN not GOD. .

July 14, 2007 11:46 PM  
Blogger Jason said...

"This article first appeared on another Christian apologetics discussion form..." Perhaps this statement confused you. I didn't write the article. Your beef is with someone else.

July 14, 2007 11:59 PM  
Blogger sattvicwarrior said...

there is no " beef" with anything or anyone.
I was just commenting on the absurdity of it .[ the article]
it doesn’t make any difference who WROTE it. .
All I'm trying to do is point out Its just a silly self serving egotistical article. by some intellectual twit.
nothing wrong with it. and it certainly isnt a commentary on ones choice of said article. Nor does it represent absolute truth ..
my whole point was to show that its as willy Shakespeare once so eloquently said.
its FULL OF SOUND AND FURY SIGNIFYING NOTHING"..

thanks for sharing:)…
.

July 15, 2007 1:19 PM  
Blogger Jason said...

You don't have a beef but you're calling the writer of the article, who you don't know from a hill of beans, an 'intellectual twit'. That's real kind of you.

July 15, 2007 2:34 PM  
Blogger sattvicwarrior said...

Dear Jason
kindness has NOTHING to do with any of it. just looking at it for what it is..
intellectual twaddle.
Take the time ro READ it yourself, DON’T read into it. just look at it for what it is..
Don’t be afraid to use your OWN thinking principle [ its what will give one the divine luminous wisdom to dispel the darkness which is ones own ignorance]
that doesn’t make the person who wrote it a bad person by any means.
If I said OH WHAT A WONDERFUL ARTICLE TRULY INSPIRED BY GREATNESS! Would you can the same thing??
of course not
. that's the flaw of " duality". [ the thinking principle] there is NEVER any finality in any of it to consider it absolute fact.
people ONLY see what they want to see or hear what they want to hear, and if some comes across something that is downright ludicrous and comments on it, the other person rather than investigate the meaning of said statement finds it appropriate to DEFEND the tome, rather than see it for what it is.
The church taught at one time that the EARTH was FLAT . would it be “ unkind” to say. get a life you morons its ROUND. “..
nothing kind about it.
its an observation .
the EARTH is ROUND.
There is NOTHING wrong with it[ the article] . its just silly. so there is no reason to defend it,. all I did was comment on a VERY flawed piece of literary nonsense, which has NOTHING to do with kindness.
thanks….

July 15, 2007 5:57 PM  
Blogger Jason said...

Thank you for your comments. I'm prepared to discuss the concept of the Trinity based on Scriptural evidence as per the article, nothing more.

July 15, 2007 9:07 PM  
Blogger sattvicwarrior said...

cool Jason.
then if you are TRULY a SEAKER of TRUTH. i suggest you UPGRADE your source of information. DONT settle for second[ in this case 3rd] rate info.

ALWAYS question authority.
thanks:)

July 19, 2007 12:06 PM  
Blogger Jason said...

Thank you and good bye.

July 19, 2007 12:15 PM  

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